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Misinforming about free software
by akihabara on Wednesday November 29, 2000 @ 03:34 AM
In fact, the various free licenses require that you do so, or you don't use the software This is false, and I wish people would stop spreading this misinformation. You are free to use free software for whatever you want. What you are not free to do is distribute modified free software without also providing access to your modifications.
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    Re: Misinforming about free software
    by Saint on Wednesday November 29, 2000 @ 01:35 PM
    I stand by my above statements. -- Saint
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    • Re: Misinforming about free software
      by Alex Berkman on Wednesday November 29, 2000 @ 05:30 PM
      Could you explain why? Please cite the relevant paragraphs of the GPL or any other Free Software licenses that you believe *require* someone to distribute modified source code (assuming they are not distributing binaries or other derived works). If you can't, then retract your claim. Good luck in your efforts to find this imaginary requirement.
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      • Re: Misinforming about free software
        by Saint on Wednesday November 29, 2000 @ 05:59 PM
        Am I missing something? Is there something being read into the article that I don't see? The GPL has it near the beginning: '...you must give the recipients all the rights that you have. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code...' Please help me to understand. -- Saint
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        • Why you're not required to return the favor
          by Max Hyre on Friday December 01, 2000 @ 08:26 AM

          In the article, you pointed to a GNU tract on free software. In it, we find:

          You should also have the freedom to make modifications and use them privately in your own work or play, without even mentioning that they exist.

          In support of this freedom, the GPL puts no requirement on you to redistribute your modifications. In Section 2, your are told you may ``modify your copy [...], and copy and distribute....'' under conditions a), b), and c). a) and c) make no mention of you redistributing the program.

          The rub comes in condition b), wherein you are required to

          cause any work [...] that [...] is derived from the Program [...], to be licensed as a whole [...] under the terms of this License.
          This is a reasonable condensation of condition b), except for the first ellipsis. What I left out were the words emphasized here: ``any work that you distribute or publish''.

          Condition b) only applies to you if you ``distribute or publish'' the (possibly modified) work. It in no way requires you to distribute or publish.

          Thus, we see that the GPL indeed gives you the freedom quoted above, to modify the program and use it personally without passing on the changes. The GPL has no interest in prying into the contents of your hard disk, it just says if you pass this on with changes, then the changes must be distributed with the same freedoms as the original. Hence akihabara's entirely-valid remonstration. The GPL allows you to use the software without returning the favor, so long as you're only using, and not distributing, it.

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          • Re: Why you're not required to return the favor
            by Saint on Friday December 01, 2000 @ 11:25 AM
            Point well taken. Naturally Richard Stallman and Co. isn't going to stand behind your favorite programming chair and say: Hah! you made a private change, now you have to give it to everyone. I'll see if I can work it into the above in a understandable way to the beginner. -- Saint
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      • Re: Misinforming about free software
        by Saint on Wednesday November 29, 2000 @ 06:02 PM
        Are you referring to the other uses of Free software, like running it? If so, then out of context my statement might be incorrect, but it was said in the context of developers sharing code. -- Saint
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    • Context Differences
      by Unknown Author on Thursday November 30, 2000 @ 07:27 PM
      Saint: In the context of exchanging code, your statement is correct. But the context was "Howard was running the code and made a fix". Howard was not forced to give you his modified code. Neither BSD or GPL force him to divulge his secret fix. He could have fixed his display bug and laughed at you. In fact, he could even offer to sell you the code. (But if he did sell you the code, it would be yours to re-distribute under the open-source license.) Howard isn't even required to give you the UNMODIFIED code. Even if he were giving away or selling the UNMODIFIED code, he doesn't have to give away the fix. Heck, he could even e-mail you a version with more bugs than the original. Your statement seems to imply "Anyone who changes the code must re-distribute their changes", which is incorrect. (It is also incorrect to say "anyone who has the code must distribute it"). The GPL says "IF you are distributing any code based on this, THEN you must give others the code under the GPL."
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      • Re: Context Differences
        by Saint on Thursday November 30, 2000 @ 08:57 PM
        Exactly. Tough to get all the nuances into a beginner article. Thank you. -- Saint
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      • Re: Context Differences
        by Saint on Thursday November 30, 2000 @ 08:59 PM
        How would you re-word the above? -- Saint
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